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#18455 - 04/02/08 11:39 PM WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX
GH_Hadden Offline
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Hey there

Didn't see this topic anywhere so I thought I'd start it

Was wondering how people delt with the task of getting a realistic view of the world through the eyes of a woman, if you're a man, or vise versa. Sure, the sexes do have their similarities, but its the subtle differences I'm interrested in, and how to accuratly protray them without posing any embarrasing or personal questions to anyone.

The internet and blogs are one way to go I suppose. But what about the challenges of the oposite sex in days past? Any thoughts or comments?

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#18456 - 04/03/08 06:17 PM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: GH_Hadden]
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I suppose the simplest way is to ask a woman,mom, sister, wife, daughter. Ask me. I'll help you all I can. If I don't know I will make it up.
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#18471 - 04/08/08 04:08 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: Maureen]
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Everyone has male and female tendencies. If you want to write from a female's point of view, get in touch with your feminine side, if you're a male, and vice versa.

The only thing I would say, as a word of caution, is not all women are crying, helpless females who don't know their heads from a hole in the ground. Just like all men are macho men bent out to make the world an all male dominate ruled place. Some women are strong because of what life has thrown at them. And some men are weak for the same reasons.

If it's a subject you have no clue how they would react, then Maureen's suggestion would work. Ask someone what they would do. Ask a BUNCH of people what they would do. That way you have a base to work with and you can develop the character the way you want her to be instead of just going with the "norm" of what she is expected to do.

My best advice. Think outside the box! I want to do a story, without giving the ending away ;o), on a subject I have NO idea on. I want to make the character leap off the page and be believable.

The only problem is I have no one I can go to, so I'm going to have to wing it. I'm going to have to think like the character and try to make it come across as I KNOW what I'm doing, but have no base on the information I need. I love the challenge of it ;o)!
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#18473 - 04/11/08 04:50 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: lori32wf]
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Hi Hadden,

Your question is interesting. Not only that, it's eternal as well as man from time immemorial had been wanting to breakthrough a woman's forehead and see what she thinks and how she feels. This is an urge that continues to bring man closer to woman and keep relationships moving.

Being a woman myself, I feel strongly that a man always understands a woman better than herself. And that's probably one reason why some of the best feminists are male. Humanbeings can see themselves only through mirrors or through another person.

So, when you say you want to understand the subtle differences in perspective, just think that the way you look at another thing outside you. It is better to break free from the frame in which you are to understand how a person outside the farme would perceive that object.

Hope this helps. And if it doesn't, then let your feelings guide you, cos feelings are never sexist.

Regards
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#18477 - 04/12/08 03:56 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: moushumi79]
Nate741 Offline
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Although I have only done this for certain erotica stories, and having to help edit them, I find its fairly difficult to write from a woman's point of view. It's not exactly my cup of tea.

SEX is SEX tho... all stories just read the same in the content.

I don't edit these too often, but sometimes I get them in my e-mail...

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#18484 - 04/13/08 10:30 PM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: Nate741]
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Hmmm let’s take this a little further. How does a young author get in touch with the feelings and point of view of an old person? An able bodied author find the words to give insight into what it is like to have some debilitating disease with no cure in sight or worse an unaffordable cure. How does love feel when lost, or found, or forbidden.

It is no wonder they say writing is the loneliest job one can try to do well…

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#18485 - 04/14/08 03:00 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: bentlink]
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Its not easy but brainstorming helps. Also the influence of a sign or billboard, or even another author. (works for me anyway...)

As for getting in touch with feelings, hmmm uhm try music... it can affect your mood and feelings.

That or just clone Lori32... she can write anything... and make it sound GREAT!

\:\)


Nathaniel

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#18490 - 04/16/08 03:03 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: Nate741]
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Nate, are you trying to butter me up ;)? If so, it's working :D! And just for the record. Sex ISN'T just sex. But that's another discussion for another board .

In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who the character is, what sex it is, or what they're going to do in the story, if you get inside their heads then you can write anything.

You want them old, think about your grandparents/parents.

I wrote an editorial/story the other day on my grandfather. I looked back over his life and wrote from my point of view. By the time I was finished I could remember everything he did, bouncing off the walls in the middle of the night going to the bathroom, laughing his head off when we would get disgusted because he pulled his glass eye out and showed us, everything about him I remembered.

Now I can write a story about an older gentleman who looks to find the humor in anything and everything.

You want to write in a sick character, imagine, God forbid, one of your children, little brothers/sisters, nieces, nephews with an illness. How would you react? How would they deal with it? What would you do? What would they do?

And bentlink, :D, the last one is the easiest to answer. Just about everyone has lost a loved one, by them dying or by them/you walking away. Relive the experience, draw from it, and then write from the gut. (Sidenote: Forbidden love is the greatest one to write about because you get to explore MANY possibilities ;).)

The only way to write about the unknown is to get inside the character's head you want to write from. Doesn't matter what kind of character it is, if you can't get in their heads it's NOT going to seem real.

Someone told me something when I first started writing I'll never forget. He said write it from your heart, trust your gut, and then let it flow. Once it's down on paper then, and only THEN, go back and see if its plausible. I've stuck with that.
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#18536 - 05/02/08 06:19 AM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: lori32wf]
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 Originally Posted By: lori32wf
Nate, are you trying to butter me up ;)? If so, it's working :D! And just for the record. Sex ISN'T just sex. But that's another discussion for another board .


YUP that i am... Because I liked what I read and think you are a hell of a writer.

(I got a pitcher of melted butter right here Lori... Just in case... \:\) just kidding... )

I am also for the Cloning thing tho... you see with an army of Lori32's she can TAKE over the Writing and publishing industry! *EVIL MUAHAHAHAHAH!* Then we on nicestories will be able to publish anytime we want.!

*Insert ANOTHER EVIL MUAHAHAHA here!*

See the ploy here? \:\) :P

In all seriousness --

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In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who the character is, what sex it is, or what they're going to do in the story, if you get inside their heads then you can write anything.


Absolutely right. And I agree...

However, in all fairness to the SEX thing. It actually does depend on SEX a little bit.... Erotica and SEX sells in this day and age... And really well! Man or woman in a story plot, standard or otherwise it would sell... just has to be written fairly well and with little plot

*insert cheezy 70's porno music here*

But this happened, not long ago either...

A non random occurance where someone asked me to edit their work, and read their stuff on a site called the Kristen Archives (erotica site) that is not unlike Nicestories, or storymania where people can post.. (back in 2002ish.)

I am not a member of their site, and did not even know of their site until asked and given a link. (checked it out) But I receive an e-mail asking to edit/read and I do... and goddamned if it did not appear in an erotica magazine called Club international, at least 6 months later, and a couple of freaking off main stream magazines.

I personally don't like to write erotica because I wanted to be a "Respectable writer" But goddamn it... I edit one and he submits and looks what he gets. 15 min of fame so to speak... And probably paid for them, and a bit of history and a track record established.

So what the hell!? Lose respectability to being a pervert on some board to a writer for an adult magazine? shieeet! I hope the pages with his stories stick together with some fat gay guys blooey!

So sex does count!

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The only way to write about the unknown is to get inside the character's head you want to write from. Doesn't matter what kind of character it is, if you can't get in their heads it's NOT going to seem real.

Someone told me something when I first started writing I'll never forget. He said write it from your heart, trust your gut, and then let it flow. Once it's down on paper then, and only THEN, go back and see if its plausible. I've stuck with that.


Good advice, have been doing that, learned from Bradbury and jack chalker seminars and a few others i have attended. and a Few how to books from the real authors. Not that they give you alot of their tricks of the trade but general info for your writing.

It certainly works!


Nathaniel

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#18548 - 05/07/08 01:21 PM Re: WRITING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE OPOASITE SEX [Re: Nate741]
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YUP that i am... Because I liked what I read and think you are a hell of a writer.

(I got a pitcher of melted butter right here Lori... Just in case... \:\) just kidding... )

I am also for the Cloning thing tho... you see with an army of Lori32's she can TAKE over the Writing and publishing industry! *EVIL MUAHAHAHAHAH!* Then we on nicestories will be able to publish anytime we want.!

*Insert ANOTHER EVIL MUAHAHAHA here!*

See the ploy here? \:\) :P


Naughty naught boy you ;)! Hehe.

With an army of me though there's a draw back. See I'm afraid of publication. Hehe! So just imagine how much terror there would be if there was an army of me .

Thank for the compliment!

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So sex does count!


What I meant by my comment was it didn't matter what sex the character was. Not whether there was sex in a story or not . Sorry for not being more clear on that.


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I personally don't like to write erotica because I wanted to be a "Respectable writer" Lose respectability to being a pervert on some board to a writer for an adult magazine?


I agree with you a little. Nothing against erotica but its really not my cup of tea either. It's easier to write, granted. But, for me, it takes the fun out of writing. I don't want to lose the reader with sex in a story. I want the sex to fade into the story line.

I think there's a difference. When you write just to write about sex you have no plot. When the sex revolves around the plot you get a better story.

Little story:

I got a friend of mine interested in erotica. He shows a wonderful story but gets upset that people are only reading for the sex IN the story not the story itself. But he started something and had to finish it. By the end of the series he was disgusted with the story he began with.

THAT is the draw back to writing erotica. When you write something as beautiful as he does with anything, people are going to want more. When it begins to control everything you write, then it becomes a problem.

But hey! That's just my two cents ;).
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