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#47759 - 05/08/11 08:51 AM Working around the limitations of erotica
SexTex Offline
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I received a nice email from a fellow writer who asked why I had included a story in the bisexual section that would have fit as well in the straight category. The following is my response. I realize that my sentiments may not be shared by other writers but I would be interested in hearing what others think about the possible limitations of writing in this genera.

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Thanks for your very kind words. I had Silky Seconds in the straight section and moved it to bisexual 1 to find a broader readership and 2, I suppose because I find sexuality, and especially intimacy, to be much more expansive and encompassing than it is typically dealt with. In vanilla society the topic is verboten and in erotica it is dealt with only in the narrow range of lust. My goal is to write erotica that engages the mind and a wider range of emotions. It is probably naive to think that just because people have a wider gender taste, that they may also have wider emotional and intellectual pallet. But that is the hope.

I seem to have been born as a fairly flaming straight person. But when I was a young man the idea of how limiting our cultural scripting could be was made clear to me. I made it a quest to expand my own range of desires. This has been a very enlightening path. Though there was no mythical door flung open that allowed me to crave a man's ass, there have, nonetheless, been nice lessons in the elasticity of my own sexuality. This story is one of those points of discovery.

Along the way I have discovered the beautiful entanglement of intimacy and sexuality. It seems to me that along with intellect, creativity and compassion these form cauldron of human potential, as yet untapped.

Unfortunately, I do not have much time to write and that which keeps me occupied also provides cognitive separation from these thoughts.

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#47762 - 05/12/11 05:17 PM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: SexTex]
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I don't think there are limitations to writing in erotica. There is a subgenre for everyone. Just because your average male reader is probably not interested in male bisexuality in their erotica (neither are many female ones), it doesn't mean there aren't people looking for it. I try to be as specific story as possible using story codes (MF, FF, MMF) to help my readers find what they are looking for. That said, I write what I like. I write the stories I want to tell, without much thought to how the audience is going to receive it.
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#47764 - 05/12/11 07:05 PM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: Jake]
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I like a story where the author writes what he likes. That definitely comes through.

For example, Sextified makes things that I don't really like sound good, because he likes them so much.

If you get me attached to a character with strange tastes, when that character is excited to have an opportunity to indulge his tastes, I get excited along with him. Because I can appreciate how he is feeling.

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#47765 - 05/12/11 07:37 PM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: Girlie1980]
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The limitations only exist in the fertility of the Author's imaginings and their own real life experiences.

Oh, and their ability to convert the image they see in their mind into words.

As 2 Unlimited so eloquently put it ...

"No, no. N, n, no, no. N, n, no, no. N, n, there's no limits."

Ah, the glory days of trashy Euro-disco. Makes one all nostalgic for the halcyon days of the 1990's.

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#47767 - 05/13/11 05:57 AM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: Anonymous]
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I've read a couple of stories recently about sexual practices I don't normally find a turn on, but the authors(ess) I do like. I love Jennifer O'Donnell's stories. She recently wrote a bi story. I can't say I've ever found a man I've ever wanted to get intimate with. But I enjoyed the story.
A few weeks ago there was a story where golden rain played a part. YUCK, not my scene, but it was part 2 of a really hot story and the scene certainly fitted the story.

Now, I wouldn't have read either of the stories if I hadn't already been hooked. But once you have the audience with you I think you can extend their boundaries. It won't always work, but it can be fun trying.
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#48618 - 01/10/12 10:53 PM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: Jake]
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I don't know about erotica but there are definite limitations when writing porn. In fact in a way writing porn can be harder (pun intended) than writing erotica because of those limitations.
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#48625 - 01/11/12 08:54 AM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: DarkHorse]
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Explain, DarkHorse.
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#48627 - 01/11/12 04:09 PM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: Girlie1980]
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Because porn is a fantasy world and as such has it's own rules and laws, such as the men are all well endowed and have no trouble getting an erection and the women are always wet and willing. And you certainly couldn't get away with including things like jealousy, self doubt etc and you certainly couldn't get away with for example having one of the main characters die.
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#48630 - 01/12/12 04:12 AM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: DarkHorse]
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 Originally Posted By: DarkHorse
Because porn is a fantasy world and as such has it's own rules and laws, such as the men are all well endowed and have no trouble getting an erection and the women are always wet and willing. And you certainly couldn't get away with including things like jealousy, self doubt etc and you certainly couldn't get away with for example having one of the main characters die.
Er... Sorry, but I disagree, and I broke some of your rules.

In many infidelity stories the husband is not "well endowed" and often has "trouble getting an erection".

In stories (not on here) about reluctance to the point of rape, the women are not "always wet and willing".

Many stories on here contain "jealousy, self doubt etc" as necessary elements of the story. Those tend to revolve round a suspicious spouse and what (s)he discovers.

In my novels I have several times managed to "get away with for example having one of the main characters die". In the last of my 'Delights' novels the Emir dies, and his successor is murdered shortly afterwards. In my Space novels a heroine dies, and the aftermath of her death is an important part of the story. Two other major characters also die.

I do think that the longer the story, the fewer of your 'rules' apply. In a novel of 60K words the author can explain so much more than in a very short story. In the limit as the story gets shorter, the detail gets less, until we have the famous precis of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet: Boy and girl fall in love. It ends badly.
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#48631 - 01/12/12 04:55 AM Re: Working around the limitations of erotica [Re: CharmBrights]
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Yes, but then you're not writing porn and to prove it, try selling any of those types of stories to a porn site and see how far you get.
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