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#44105 - 12/15/09 06:12 PM Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build...
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This is not a question about what style is preferred. It is more a question about how to make the transition from one style to the other.

I write with the slow character build approach and most of the time I am quite content to use that style. However, I often get a story idea that I think should fit the Stroke style and begin tap tap tapping at my keyboard, and before I know it I have 2,000 words written and still no sex. I guess it has a lot to do with my own personality, I prefer to get to know people before I open up, thus I tend to write the same way.

There have been many attempts to get straight to the sex, and while I have succeeded, at the same time I will struggle to keep it a short story.

So tell me then, if you write stroke what is going through your mind as you write your story?

Are you thinking about the Sex, thus placing yourself in the action, rather than thinking about your would be partner? As it realtes to the story's characters that is.

Are you drawing strictly from experience?

Are you usually in an aroused state before you start to write? Or does the writing lead to your arousal?
Or can you seperate yourself from the story thus avoiding arousal as you write?

Is it easier to write STROKE in the first person context? I think it might be since it was the perspective that I had the most success with. But I would like to hear your views.

Regards,

Hunterguy

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#44203 - 12/17/09 03:47 AM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: Hunterguy]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... There have been many attempts to get straight to the sex, and while I have succeeded, at the same time I will struggle to keep it a short story. ...
That bears out something I have always believed (to paraphrase Mozart) "Every story should have exactly the right number of words in it".

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... So tell me then, if you write stroke what is going through your mind as you write your story? ...
A myriad of things, mostly trying to put myself in the mind of the reader and to see my words as though it were the first time I had met them.

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Are you thinking about the Sex, thus placing yourself in the action, rather than thinking about your would be partner? As it relates to the story's characters that is. ...
Preferably not.

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Are you drawing strictly from experience? ...
No. In my BDSM stories I am very far from anything I have experienced. As to my novels, I have never been a nun, I have never been the Emir of a Gulf state, and I have never been on a penal colony on Earth, let alone on a different planet.

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Are you usually in an aroused state before you start to write? ...
Preferably not.

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Or does the writing lead to your arousal? ...
Preferably not.

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Or can you seperate yourself from the story thus avoiding arousal as you write? ...
If I possibly can ...

 Originally Posted By: Hunterguy
... Is it easier to write STROKE in the first person context? I think it might be since it was the perspective that I had the most success with. But I would like to hear your views.
I detest first person for "commercial" reasons. If the main character is female then you lose most of the male readers who find it hard to identify with the heroine, and vice versa. If the main character is young, you will lose most of the much older readers, and if the protagonist is old, then the younger readers will not understand him/her.
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#44226 - 12/17/09 10:19 AM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: Hunterguy]
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As always Charmbrights, your comments and views are greatly appreciated.

When I am drawing on pure creativity, writing fiction, I find myself unaroused as I write, and prefer it as well. Separating myself from the story allows the words to flow without so many errors. :-) Which makes editing far less laborious.

I can appreciate that when writing fictional novels it may be difficult to draw from one's own experience, such as you have mentioned. That said my question/curiosity was/is more about writing, what is referred to as, STROKE styled short stories.

Your final remark is of great value to me. I understand that writing in the first person context can be more difficult than the third person perspective. However, as you have noted for commercialization of a story, perspective maybe more important than when simply writing for pleasure. I find that I can tell the story better in the thrid person than I can in the first. So your remark relieves some of my concern on perspectives.

Thank you for remarks.

Regards,

Hunter Guy

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#44232 - 12/17/09 11:38 AM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: CharmBrights]
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 Originally Posted By: CharmBrights
I detest first person for "commercial" reasons. If the main character is female then you lose most of the male readers who find it hard to identify with the heroine, and vice versa. If the main character is young, you will lose most of the much older readers, and if the protagonist is old, then the younger readers will not understand him/her.


I like to read smut in first person when written from the female perspective. Far from loosing me, that is what appeals.
I'm interested in how she feels and that works best when written in her 1st person.
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#44238 - 12/17/09 01:58 PM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: AntEater]
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Hi i am new to this so if i am writing out of turn tell me!

i write usually from personal experience and in the first person. As a writer i find it hard to do the slow character building bit, i'm always thinking about the actual event, the action. my stories hardly ever have any background detail, just the actual scene i am describing. straight to the sex really!
I'm not sure what STROKE writing is but it sounds like how i write. i have the story in my head that i want to write about, i pick a point from where i want the story to start, usually just as the action starts, and i go from there.
I usually have one sitting where i get the whole thing written down, as much as i can remember.
If while i am writing i find something needs to be explained or described in more detail i usually go back a day or two after and add those bits in. Then i go back a few more times and tidy it up, spelling, gramer, etc.
i have to say though because of the things i write about, my own experiences, that yes i am usually aroused as i write the first draft of the story. then less so each time i have to go back to the point that by the time i am finished i am tired of the sight of it!

I'm not new to writing stories but i am new to writing them for public eyes so the way i write may change as i learn but at the moment, that is how i do it.

Hope that helps some and sorry if i got the gist of your question wrong!

Luci x
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#44239 - 12/17/09 02:25 PM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: holdmedownnow]
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Just wanted to add to what i said.
You say about not being able to keep it to a short story, the only reason i can say that i keep mine short is that i don't have a big story i have imagined up in my head that i want to get down on paper. i want to write about the sex and what went on around that, i have no desire to tell the readers about how we got to the setting of the story or how i met the bloke in question or explain our relationship. i want to tell them how he made me feel, how he touched me and how hard he made me cum!

i am by absolutely no means an expert and its just my thoughts on what you have said. maybe you could try writing like you have, all the first 2000 words and then the rest till you get to the sex scene and then just take out the part that you want?!

good luck, luci x
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#44240 - 12/17/09 04:34 PM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: holdmedownnow]
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 Originally Posted By: holdmedownnow


Hope that helps some and sorry if i got the gist of your question wrong!

Luci x


Luci, I think you got the gist. Stroke as I have been told is all about the sex, and not much about how or why.

 Originally Posted By: holdmedownnow
maybe you could try writing like you have, all the first 2000 words and then the rest till you get to the sex scene and then just take out the part that you want?!

good luck, luci x


Good idea, I might have to try that. In fact I am thinking of trying one story both ways, and gauge the response.

Regards,

HG

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#44241 - 12/17/09 04:43 PM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: Hunterguy]
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i think i am a stroker then! ;\)

i would be interested to read both of those stories when you have written them. i think i would suggest writing the short one first. it might help if you have things you feel you should put in the short one if you know you can put them in the longer one and leave them out the shorter one? not sure that makes sense but hopefully you get what i am saying!

anyway, up to you. good luck x
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#44242 - 12/17/09 05:32 PM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: holdmedownnow]
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"i want to write about the sex and what went on around that, i have no desire to tell the readers about how we got to the setting of the story or how i met the bloke in question or explain our relationship. i want to tell them how he made me feel, how he touched me and how hard he made me cum!"

As a reader only, I can tell you that this is what I want to see. I do enjoy a long drawn out story too, but it doesn't have the same impact. I'd much rather have more detail about how things feel in the best parts.

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#44256 - 12/18/09 03:33 AM Re: Stroke it NOW... or Slow Character Build... [Re: holdmedownnow]
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 Originally Posted By: holdmedownnow
Hi i am new to this so if i am writing out of turn tell me! ...
Not in the least; all are welcome, except trolls and advertisers.

 Originally Posted By: holdmedownnow
... by the time i am finished i am tired of the sight of it! ...
Many years ago I was told that any project is not finished until you can't stand the sight of it, so you seem to be doing it right!
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