#19299 - 09/01/07 11:41 AM
Re: hardcore rape
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STave
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I have to agree. Dealing with stories like rape should be done in a case to case basis. The kind of story, wherein, the supposedly fictionalized characters involved are stripped off of human rights, violated to the point where safety is generally absent (killed or injured), violence is clear cut and vivid and just simply the treatment as "nothing but meat" should be delineated from uber fantasy. The word rape is so broad that it is hard to contextualize in a very concrete situation. Art (webmaster) has definitely described the basis of his limitation in regards to the "no violence" rule. Stories wherein "a plumber" and "a housewife" engages in relentless and unrequited sexual act becomes a form of fantasy itself and becomes a tool for fantasy rape premise. As compared to the "bloody vaginal mess" and the "screams of unending agony" of some free form of rape stories, which is obviously hardcore and might I say, "carnage" of human existence. Bottom line is morality in stories are typically blurred but not to the point of grotesqueness. I guess this should be enough to give a very clear view of how authors, in their creative glory, be able to concoct such advanced skill of erotic story writing. After all, that is what writing stories are for: to provide readers and writers an alternative yet integrated avenue for their pleasure and fulfillment in terms of art (form). 
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#19300 - 09/08/07 08:01 PM
Re: hardcore rape
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Mechknight73
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With that kind of graphic violence, most people would call it a horror story, and ony the most twisted individuals would find it a turn-on. It goes against every fibre of my being to enjoy that. I could watch a "rape" scene in a movie, but wouldn't find it very arousing, even though they are actors playing a role. If it were real, and I happened to be close by, my first instinct would be to kick him in the balls, then while curled up in pain, crack a few ribs. It's interesting to note in the prison system, that if you were convicted of paedophilia, or bashing an old lady, you are not safe in the general prison population. Most would tear you apart given an opportunity. Many of them went off the rails as kids because of someone like this abusing them.
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#19301 - 09/10/07 05:29 PM
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Anonymous
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That is exactly what I meant. Rape in context can never be defined in such specific terms. What you and other people seem to forget is that even the slightest coercion towards sexual activity even in the slightest mockery of "un-wanting" will always be considered rape. Extremist would often say that violence in tv, videogames, art (literature and photography) are causes of violence of hither and today. Remember guns do not kill people, people kill people. The webmaster has specifically identified the margins of the rules and that is enough. Take note, that these are only margins and not total deterrent to what writers will ultimately write. Extortion, blackmailing etc. wouldn't be in the category of a horror story, would it? More like they would belong to a mystery, crime solving scenario which might lead to consensual sex, not necessarily rape. The rules in the site clearly state a no-no to violence, that is a moral principle which should be followed. The authors alone cannot write anything that involves graphic rape without sudden retribution. Anyone who would write about rape and only rape cannot be considered an writer at all. Remember that the rules in writing stories involve plot, set of colorful characters, a decent driving force to bring the story to a explosive climax and if possible denouement. Rape situational stories alone can never be a complete story and is a let down to writers everywhere. With that said, even decent stories need conflict. Writers who would want to grow in their art as well as themselves need to know the basic "esque" of what good stories are really made of. Graphic violence is a grave deployment of unethical-ity. Writers need to be edgier but not totally bland. Take it from me--I've never written stories that show how to kill people or rape people. I have written stories that make people think. Mostly my stories are mysteries and the plot is usually against evil set in the background of an erotica. Imagine how writers would go about moulding a piece that does not involve essence (strife, pain, joy, despair and hope). Bottom line: I am against rape in any form in literature but the context of it (in mild form) is an essential tool for some writers who would like to add essence in their piece. Hope my point is clear. Kudos to Art for making such a wonderful site. It helps people like me who went to college for writing have an avenue or testing grounds to future writing projects. 
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#25847 - 11/09/07 02:51 AM
Re: hardcore rape
[Re: Jay]
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I get the feeling that certain people are getting bogged down in a certain subject that they have little or no understanding of...Rape is, having sex or sexual acts without the persons consent...
Blackmail from a legal point of view, is something total different. the choice is still there.
As a writer, i have a strict set of moral codes when i write, i have drawn a line in the sand. from time to time i have strayed close to that line but never crosed it...
The arguement for freedom of speech doesn't hold water either, if i was to enter someone's house and insist on free speech. i would be expected to be rejected if i stepped over the line of what is acceptable in someone elses premises.
This web site is one of the most respected and well run site on the internet, because it appeals to all types of readers. to say that it is any less respected because it restricts certain things is just nonsense.
We live in a society that works because there is rules in place, that aren't flexible, that are upheld, and we should respect art and the site for ensuring that he has remained rigid to his rights as a webmaster.
Trust me, if art was to drop the rules tommorrow, the site would lose so many writers and readers that the site would die a slow and horrible death.
The internet is littered with everything imaginable, if this site's content doesn't suit the reader then they have the choice to go elsewhere, but to argue that the site should change to satisfy the minority is just plain stupid...
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#46182 - 06/26/10 12:35 AM
Re: hardcore rape
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pdabber
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I had toyed around with a story. I even have it somewhere. It involved a man who discovered his gay tendencies through the attentions of an older, more experience flamboyantly gay neighbor. through the course of their communications the man discovers his neighbor's fondest fantasy it to be raped.
As a favor to his neighbor, this man decides to help fulfill his neighbors wishes as a surprise birthday present. He meets a guy who knows a guy and somehow the wires get crossed and the phony rapists rape the man who hired them by mistake.
This contract rape is planned months in advance so when the wrong man is abducted he senses all the fear and trepidation the neighbor has been pinning for. Sometime during the course of events the abducted man realizes that a mistake has been made. He also knows the attackers are under strict orders not to inflict any real damage but because he is bound and gagged, he is unable to stop the progression.
sometime along the way he realizes he likes the attention and succumbs the the whims of his aggressors.
in the end the man who acted as a go between apologizes and offers not only the money tendered back, but promises to have his "SWAT" team fulfill the birthday wish for free.
The inadvertently fulfilled payee agrees. but instead of keeping his return, he uses the money to buy himself another surprise encounter to be carried out when he least suspects it!
{There are a lot of elements of rape in the story, but what this is supposed to relate is how the more conservative bisexual dabbler, although he believes his neighbor/friend with benefit's desires are beyond his own limits of acceptance, he knows this is the one gift the would please his (tutor so to speak} it's only by misfortune that he gets to walk in the other man's shoes and he discovers that the two of them have more in common, than he would have ever believed.
Hey,that wasn't to bad! Can I get a rain check?
I don't have any desire to author a story involving forced sex or any other form of brutality. I wouldn't read such a story unless it was a detective story or something like that, that didn't condone the acts of violence.
I do remember a saying that was fairly popular among the more promiscuous girls I met while I was young. "You can't rape a willing soul!" and as sure as I'm sitting here today, had any man actually forced then to comply against their will, I would have hunted that man down and killed him or died trying!
Edited by pdabber (06/26/10 12:39 AM)
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